Hear what the other side is actually saying.

❝But the general direction here and the restarting of the Iran War, like there is no scenario where the Republicans or Donald Trump is going to be anything but a drag. The question is, is it a 50-pound bag of sand that you're dragging with you, or is it just 10 or 20 pounds that you're dragging in baggage? And right now, it feels like you're dragging around just a slew of baggage.

❝I will never stop until we keep a con man from taking over the party of Reagan and the conservative movement. That was a delicious one. You know, it's everything that they were right.

❝So I was really trying hard not to even come across as Homer here for the heat, but I look at the heat as the best option for him of everybody there in that one.

❝Was there an intruder, or was the family involved? I did not kill my daughter, John Benet.

❝Ramsey, listen carefully with an exclamation point. We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction...If you alert bank authorities, she dies.

❝I knew what happened. You were afraid because you thought the killer was still in the house. I knew it. Absolutely.

❝So the feeling that it's sort of by diktat, I think is a lot of the concern here. And everyone understands this new technology is coming.

❝And then right at the end, the CEO got on stage and kind of dropped a bombshell. So he told this whole stadium full of insurance sales agents, we're Xing your contract. We're moving you to a new contract.

❝An internal document reviewed by the Wall Street Journal said that, quote, State Farm is under pressure to meet customers' needs. And it said that the company has, quote, a finite window to change.

❝This week on the Andrew Yang podcast, they've just written off these red states because it's hard to compete here. And it is very different than the coast. The people are very different. Their lived experience is very different. You have to compete differently. You can't just treat it like it's California or Texas or something like that.

❝I was woefully naive when I started that. I was thinking the traditional method of like, you get out and you talk to people... I did not realize the importance of money in this issue.

❝Yeah, I found, literally, I have found when I open up when I talk to these people, I think the single biggest problem is that big money controls our politicians... whoever's writing the biggest campaign checks gets their attention and their action, and we get what they want, not what we want.

❝Emmanuel said that Israel's devastating war in Gaza and the settler violence in the West Bank, as well as Netanyahu's and Yah, whose role in promoting the current war in Iran, is pushing Israel toward pariah status in many corners of the globe.

❝There’s a famous clip of Netanyahu in an apartment, and he says in the ear of one of the people, loud enough for the cameras, of course, to pick it up: don't worry about the Americans. I know how to handle them.

❝And we're showing up talking about bathroom access, sporting events, who gets to participate. We just come out of COVID. Our reading scores and math scores are in the tank. 50% of our kids cannot read or do math at grade level. And we're going to talk about bathroom access.

❝As the war with Iran blows up and cools down from week to week, one trend is clear: the biggest beneficiary of this conflict is China. Beijing did not have to fire a shot, spend vast sums, or use up political capital, but it has gained more from this crisis than any other in three decades.

❝You know, it's really hard because we, although we understand that everyone sees that that's a deadlock, Putin is clearly the person who does not understand and who doesn't see that. And it's very hard to try to see the world through his point of view. But he's not losing this war, he thinks.

❝Trump has hit those same friends with an onslaught of tariffs and abuse. Allies watching Washington today might be quietly wondering whether depending on America is really so much better than working with China.

❝president is watching this and he says, hang on, this is an injustice. And as we reported out, Donald Trump, in fact, rings his friend, the FIFA president, Gianni Infantino. And then, to the surprise, and honestly, to the horror of many, the rules appear to have suddenly changed. And Fallerin Balogan's one-game suspension is somehow suspended itself.

❝And it looks like FIFA is putting its thumb on the scale for the United States. And now everything is suddenly being questioned.

❝They play for him. Everything is designed in this Argentina model to get Leonel Messi on the ball and for him to deliver.

❝Senators on both sides of the aisle are no longer willing to treat Epstein-related transparency as a settled matter. That question is going to keep surfacing at every Department of Justice and intelligence hearing until somebody actually answers it in full.

❝Are they willing to settle for a compromise that preserves their independence, gives them a chance of being reconstructed economically, but loses some territory in the process, and affirms military neutrality?

❝Our national security depends on creating the impression in the West or any other enemies that if they attack inside Russia, we will retaliate against them. And we’ve lost that deterrence. We have to restore it.

❝You know, I feel like podcasting is still such an immature medium that the act of planning ahead and giving a shit about the quality just sets you apart from the pack.

❝Lifestyle influencers might share all the intimate details of their romantic family and financial life, but hide away from discussing their thoughts about politics and religion to, you know, not alienate certain audiences.

❝Later in the episode, we'll also speak to Wired reporter EJ Dixon, who has done a lot of great reporting on AI, including on how a man in northern India created a blonde, conservative AI influencer that attracted a large audience of MAGA men.

❝elections for a decade, and for almost that entire time, he's argued elections are not fair, even the elections he's won. Last night from the White House, he addressed the nation, saying he had new evidence of a corrupt election system. But does he?

❝He is setting up the conditions to be able to say, and he’s been doing it for months now, but setting up the conditions to be able to say that an election where Republicans are widely expected to take losses, that in these upcoming midterms, it wasn't fair because, well, they didn't pass the Save America Act.

❝At the same time, he is convincing the base, at least, that the entire system is rigged and rife with cheating. And a lot of people might just throw up their hands and say, well, why vote? Why vote?

❝But I remember her coming into the room and she said, you have two options. You can either let go because it's really hard and see what happens, or you can fight for your life and pray. You have to pray to God yourself.

❝Ambition is sexy. That's it. Like, I. Your way of looking at ambition. Oh, yes. I think ambition is sexy.

❝When you walk in a room, when you walk into a space, whether you're going to a party, a presentation, you're showing up to just sit in a meeting, any space that you enter, I think I encourage you, I implore you to remember this. The people on the other side of the table, the people next to you, the people around you are rooting for you. They are rooting for your success.

❝And just because we have a president right now who isn't better than that, and who some people argue that President Biden wasn't better than that, at some point, someone in my view, if you aspire to be president of the United States, has to break the cycle and say, I'm not going to be that person.

❝If you're the president of the United States and you say to your attorney general, I ran in part on the basis that I was going to convict every lousy Democrat I could find who had said a bad thing about me. I say, no, thanks. I don't want the job.

❝And when you continue to convict people, I say to people all the time, if you thought that any of my prosecutions were political, I'll address that with a line of acquitted people. And there were none because we did it the right way.

❝The one narrative is we're in real trouble and that this thing is going to take over every aspect of society and it's essentially going to be a superior life force, a superior intellect that exists amongst us that we created and we don't think that's wise. And then there's the other side that is saying things like what Elon says, where he's saying we're going to have universal high income.

❝Like, wage labor is a sort of, you know, slavery light in a sense. You have to sell a third of your working day just to get money to pay for necessities.

❝But the black hole doesn't give a shit about human meaning. And it's going to be around a lot longer than us.

❝And of course, Ukraine, most of us, of course, agree it has to be done. But this is transformational for only one reason, because I strongly believe that the NATO we had only three or four years ago going forward would not have been sustainable. Over-reliant on the United States, Europe not spending enough, not producing enough, both in the U.S. and in Europe. And all of this is now changing rapidly.

❝He began the last day with a tense Ruta meeting in which he said he was, quote, not happy with NATO and threatened certain allies with consequences. But a mere eight hours later, there was a total vibe shift. The unity in that room was incredible. The really a love. It was sort of pretty well.

❝And he is the one who has got to do this because, in the end, he is the leader of the free world. So, so it is really important that he engages personally with these leaders.

❝I think, and the book is an argument to this effect, and people can judge the argument, that this is going to be the most abrupt transformation of human society ever, the most dramatic. It's going to be a complete earthquake, and we need to do certain things pretty soon to get through it in good shape.

❝But there's definitely a reason that Mark Zuckerberg, in the same week that he announced 8,000 layoffs, said, oh, and also I'm going to start monitoring the keystrokes of all the workers.

❝You are concerned about the negative scenarios, but you don't really consider yourself a doomer. But at the same time, the book suggests the prescription, as you mentioned earlier, is we have to have this kind of global cadre of technologists and politicians that come together, that set the rules, that make certain that we don't build the wrong kind of thing.

❝I mean, talk about American decline and decline being a choice. And this is what kind of broke-deck country we are now. We're taking hand-me-down planes. And then, even still, you and me, the taxpayer, had to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to retrofit the hand-me-down plane. To make it not usable to get the president to and from Ottawa.

❝And that is, I think this is a good moment for a populist railing against the waste of our resources overseas and at home...our money is being spent on bombs that should be spent on hospitals.

❝The state of play is that he seems to be completely unashamed by petty, you could say it's corruption, but what it really is, is stealing the dinner silverware at the restaurants you go to...it's stuff that you simply can't imagine Chris Ray or Jim Comey or Bob Mueller doing.

❝So, the book is set in the first centuries BCE and CE, and there are basically in the ancient Mediterranean and Near East two great imperial powers of the time. One is the Roman Empire, which is a very well-studied empire, certainly, in the Western academy, not least because it serves as a kind of paradigm or a proto-empire for the European empires in the 19th century. But the other empire, the Parthian Empire on the Iranian plateau, is much less studied and its history has been quite poorly understood until recently.

❝The Romans say, hey, we’re getting hostages. Parthia has accepted Roman superiority.

❝And you've seen Netanyahu taking the place of those defeated Roman emperors. And more recently, you've seen Donald Trump taking the place of those defeated Roman emperors.

❝So it's a rhetorical trick. On the one hand, you have the evil, corrupt elite, and on the other hand, you have the true, honest people. And the populist then pretends to be on the side of these true people fighting against the corrupt elite that has captured a government, right? So this is, and this rhetoric of us versus them is really what is at the core of both the electoral campaign and the ruling strategy of populists.

❝What I came to realize, or what we came to realize over the course of quoting this, is that we live in a populist era and this is likely to stick with us. We might enter an era in which everybody becomes Argentina, including the US, right? You have like four years of quote-unquote normal rule and then you have four years of populist rule.

❝But then I was a little bit taken aback. I was like, why should I theoretically think that these kinds of people running on this kind of platform that has nothing to do with the economy on the surface has an impact on the economy?

❝Saying Watergate wouldn't take down a president today. He said Watergate would be a 12-hour story. Well, see, my opinion on that, that's not because, you know, Watergate wasn't that bad.

❝When they see the Speaker of the House gather with other legislators, say a long prayer, join hands, and then go and cut a trillion dollars out of Medicaid, they're trying to understand what's the relationship between that. What they don't have tolerance for is hypocrisy.

❝I mean, that in the wake of January 6th, there were those who were well-meaning, and they said, that's not who we are. And I think that that makes us feel good to say that, but it's dishonest. There's a way in which that is who we are.

❝I don't want to speak from like a negative or like downer place, but there's been times in my life where I've had a handful of sand and like one diamond that was like a special person and I chose and I chose the sand.

❝Certainty can fuck us up in big ways when we're so damn certain.

❝The greatest gift that life has given to humanity is that it has no meaning, there is no purpose. That's a gift.

❝I do think something that I've been picking up from voters is like in Maine specifically is a he still got my vote, but I'm nervous about what else might be out there. As long as nothing comes out that's prosecutable against him, then you know what? He has my vote, and I wish him luck.

❝You know, and I don't care, it almost seemed like they were saying, like, I don't care if the new leadership is Republican or Democrat. It's just this guy's been there too long and we need new leadership.

❝Because for voters, it seems to go to whether or not they view the candidate as normal.

❝Until then, I leave you with a creed of every good spy and every wise American. They're the words from the Gospel of John, chapter 8, verse 32. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. Good day.

❝He says that Susan Collins is bought and paid for by Benjamin Enanyahu, something which, when Ilhan Omer said it in 2018, was a national scandal. Now Democrats don't care.

❝And another piece of the puzzle here is simply that Susan Collins is, I think, an extremely hard worker. This past week, she cast her 10,000th consecutive roll call vote in the Senate. She is the Cal Ripken Jr.

❝And it is interesting and useful, maybe, to see situations like this where candidates who are very loud and very online and very good at making spectacles and getting attention for themselves are maybe not succeeding at the ballot box next to some of these old-fashioned, more buttoned-down politicians.

❝For quite some time now, I think at least for the last year and a half, the main issue has been that Russian demands at the negotiating table have been woefully outsized relative to actual Russian military performance in the war.

❝When I asked you who was winning, you said Ukraine is in the best position that it’s been since the summer of 23.

❝We had to deal with this in a lot of respects during our time in office, how to avoid what Mike Kaufman called horizontal escalation, basically the war spreading beyond Ukraine to NATO.

❝America, we got to get back to doing what's expected of us as free citizens in this democracy. That means being tolerant, being respectful, staying informed, and being engaged.

❝Even if you're taking two cents out of my pocket to do it, you're taking from me. I oppose that on a matter of freedom.

❝If someone is hungry, you're going to pay for it one way or another. What I'm offering is an opportunity to pay for it where we get ahead of the suffering, and it's cheaper because they eventually contribute.

❝And it was kind of the most refreshing interview that I had seen in politics in a very long time because we’re so used to being gaslit about various things happening.

❝Shame is you telling yourself that you’re not worthy, that you’re never going to be worthy, that the things that you’ve done, you can never be redeemed from.

❝I am opposed to unleashing an actual lunatic who has had to be baker acted and put on site 5150 holds by her own parents who fear her. I’m opposed to that actually being unleashed upon the population.

❝Essentially, we're navigating homelessness prevention without a map. So this bill shines light on the eviction process by using eviction data from the courts.

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❝As someone who responds to fire, the best time to prepare is right now.

❝He was wrongfully convicted at age 16, spent the next 19 years in prison before new evidence demonstrated his conviction was based on false evidence and unreliable identification, leading to the dismissal of all charges.

❝At least 90,000 lead pipes will remain in the ground, and all the momentum we've built, all the trained workers, all the local contractors, and all the established partnerships evaporates.

❝The lawsuit alleges investigators found transactions that included payments to hotels in London and roughly $150,000 in cash transfers to the Cooks and their family members.

❝And we’re finally getting to the point of the race where they need to attack one another. And so that spiced things up a bit and led to some lively exchanges. I think voters that are still looking for information or trying to understand who these candidates really are, you know, got a lot of input last night. They got to see a lot of all the candidates and hopefully helps them with some takeaways now that they have ballots in hand and voting is underway.

❝Because, again, there is no way the state of California is going to elect a pro-Donald Trump governor. It’s just not happening.

❝But I think that Dale Carnegie was really able to tap into something that a lot of people weren't thinking about at the time, almost like a social science about understanding our reactions and how to create lasting, valuable interactions.

❝When you embarrass yourself, the only thing to do is own it, admit it, and laugh about it. Otherwise, you look like a big fat loser.

❝Okay, my wing in it is, let's face it, it's not an easy time to be a person. Let's just put it in the bottom. The world is burning, friend.

❝She goes, I'm turning over a new leaf. I don't know if the hoodie will be with her, but she's turning over a new leaf and they want us to be their guides as they take their first step into the world of camping and the outdoors.

❝So, scammers will come around and knock on your door saying, if you act right now, we can get your home fixed up. We need a deposit, however, so give us $2,000 and we’ll get you on our list. But then, once they have the hands on the money, they disappear.

❝And we later learned that more than half of those folks were scammers.

❝So, I mean, after a disaster, people need to be aware that scammers, unfortunately, are going to insert themselves into these situations. They know that people are vulnerable. They're recovering their lives, and there's a lot of money flowing around, whether it's money from the government to help people recover, or whether it's coming from nonprofit organizations and charities.

❝Nobody wants to talk about the money. What you're kind of doing is whispering to CEOs, you don't have to pay labor anymore. Why is this happening?

❝What you're kind of doing is whispering to CEOs, you don't have to pay labor anymore. Why is this happening? The AI Endgame, a special eight-part miniseries from MS Now.

❝There's a concern that AI could fundamentally change how people think and who they are.

❝So we live in this moment when illiberalism is winning, when illiberalism is in power. I don't think anybody really argues that.

❝You write at some point that this idea of being a liberal, which comes way before liberalism is a political philosophy, is designed by and for the free, wealthy, and well-connected men who are in a position to give and receive benefits in ancient Rome. And some other things that emerge as the book goes on, one thing it makes clear is that if today your problem with liberalism and liberals is you find them to be a bunch of smug, condescending elites, that problem goes way back. That’s always been braided into the issue here.

❝Liberalism is best when it criticizes power.

❝Everybody talks about it being an affordability crisis. What we have is an availability crisis. We’ve seen housing prices more than double since 2019 when rent caps were established.

❝Now, now, now, before our listeners get really upset, CAR opposes inclusionary zoning because it requires market rate housing to subsidize the construction of below market rate housing.

❝The purpose of this podcast, brought to you by the California Association of Realtors, CAR, is to provide general and educational information and opinions from a wide range of perspectives regarding politics, voting, elections, legislative issues, and more.

❝Nina, this was a true Colorado avalanche. The Minnesota Wild were buried by a flurry of goals. So game one of the second round Stanley Cup playoff series was really video game hockey as Colorado won it over Minnesota 9-6.

❝This came out Sunday titled, Don't Count Me Out. So this guy wants to play.

❝The 3M Open announced that world number one, Scotty Scheffler, has committed to play in the 2026 3M Open. That tournament takes place July 20th through July 26th at TPC Twin Cities in Blaine, northern suburbs. Scheffler is the reigning PGA championship and open championship winner.

❝He did have a couple of good quips, a lot more, yeah, liveliness sort of a pulse than I could say than from the next hour debate, including this at the top. The first thing we have to do is stop Steve Hilton's daddy, who has endorsed him and said, that's what we got to do from becoming the next governor of the state of California. We need someone who's going to fight Donald Trump, not agree with him.

❝So, if the ask is no, we need an actual fundamental restructuring of our tax system in a way to capture the wealth of billionaires who, yeah, can hold this, hold their wealth in stocks, they can borrow against that to fund their lifestyle, never sell, never pay capital gains, you know, pass that on to their heirs or whatever. So, those are two very different outcomes. If this is just about healthcare money, I think this looks very different than if supporters say, no, we're fighting this to the end until we get a restructuring of the tax system.

❝The vast majority of them are just going to be, you know, rubber stamped for what the party is already supporting and already happy about, and they're all patting themselves on the back and doing a victory lamp. But I think that Tom Steyer and Matt Mahan are the only two who are really saying, hey, look, our system’s broken. Let’s try something different.

❝They say, quote, an actual airplane fuselage is not in harmony with the neighborhood.

❝Like at that point, it's like, no, no, no, no, I get to tell you what you can do or not. And I just think that's funny.

❝She said, quote, I think it's outrageous and they need to change course. She said, quote, they still have three weeks to change course and she wants to see them do it.

❝I think immigration is really the issue of our time in many ways.

❝As you've seen, in most of the cases where Republicans have complained about the safety, it's actually been the bad decision by an elected judge in Illinois or no hearing at all because the prosecutor didn't bring it to the judge.

❝And also, considering what the Indiana legislature passed, it's not just tax breaks. It's a straight up giveaway of billions of dollars. They're raising, they want to raise taxes on their own residents to actually fund the construction and operation of that stadium.

❝There was a processing period where lawmakers came into the House chambers and remembered their former colleague, the late House Speaker Melissa Hortman, who was assassinated in June of last year.

❝You know what's selfish? The dude who dropped 26 bullets in my house.

❝Lindell has talked about like he has a direct line to the Oval Office, essentially. I think he called Trump one of his best friends at this Waseka event, and he’s worked really hard to kind of make that connection with Trump.

❝Officials in San Francisco filed a lawsuit in April of 2023 after the Port of Oakland, which manages the city's airport, decided to embellish the facility's name for a fleeting period. Planes took off and landed from runways at, quote, San Francisco Bay, Oakland International Airport. Well, the San Francisco people were very upset, and of course, there had to be negotiations, a settlement.

❝And so it's clear: you're either flying to Oakland or you're flying to San Francisco. And the director of the San Francisco airport said the agreement would provide clarity so that consumers can make quote informed decisions, end of quote, about where to fly. And he pledged.

❝He pledged to, and I quote directly, continue delivering an exceptional travel experience for San Franciscans and visitors alike. Good because a lot of us end up going to the airport with some frequency. But now another change, and we'll see how this one flies, so to speak.

❝I'm a daughter of Puerto Rican migrants.

❝Dying, I want to say, but not right away.

❝I'm very grateful that I'm able to represent and serve the city with my writing.

❝What I'm saying to those parents, that I can do my job as mayor. I cannot parent your child. I can love them.

❝Cook County State's attorney Eileen O'Neill Burke reacting to that decision. We established that he had four pending violent felonies. And in spite of that, he was placed on electronic monitoring.

❝But the focus is expected to shift quickly to the cost of the war with Iran and no congressional approval.

❝But the lessons I learned from her were literally to fight like hell. You earn everything you have. You have a backbone and you get the business done.

❝Because we have Donald Trump and Gabe Evans every day making it harder for families like the one I grew up in to have a fair shot at success.

❝And if that doesn't work, then I am very upfront and I let them know: hey, I've got big concerns and you want to run your bill. This just doesn't work for the people I represent. I'm going to have to be a no.

❝So, when I became a parent, I felt like there were all these scripts kind of ready to go for me. And there was a lot of research about motherhood. And, you know, my husband really had no idea what was happening to him. And I think in science, we're always interested in gaps in the research literature, right?

❝And I wanted to push back on that and say, really, like, what makes humans cool and special is our flexibility and our adaptability. And fathers, I think the research shows us, can adapt to care and that they can acquire that skill, right? Like if you think of caregiving not as a trait, but as a skill that comes online with practice and socialization and experience, it doesn't have to be gender essentialized.

❝And to me, that's like a really key takeaway from the whole book, which is like, and you know, one way to put that in a single sentence is great fathers are made not born.

❝And it's not really as easy as some people would like to think that it is. If you look out and you see the encampments and things like that, you realize that that is something that is very concerning not only to the people that are living in the street, but it's concerning also to people that live in the community in general.

❝The homeless issue is rooted in mental illness and addiction. That's the two biggest layers of the issue out there.

❝I do think that the change in the law has had an impact on the problem and not in a positive way. Because I wouldn't say that the laws are the end-all be-all answer to everything. As we had spoken before, I think this requires a very coordinated approach to, I mean, treatment programs and housing, laws, counselors, all those things need to come together and be kind of on the same page and working together with one another in order to have, I think, an impact of what's going on out there.

❝When individuals fear potential arrest and enforcement actions, many will choose not to appear, even when required to, by court order.

❝So, we know all these people that grow up bilingual, but you go out as an adult, you know, at 20 and try to pick up a language, it's definitely more difficult and you're more likely to have an accent.

❝That means we don't tell things about you that are sort of socially maybe marked in our culture, like that you're from a different class group or a different ethnicity. And those are often the things that we also fold into that idea of a neutral accent.

❝I think he's a potato. I do too.

❝Part of my uh failed suicide attempt is I turned it into um pretend you were successful and this is just a dream a clean out of what would have happened if you hadn't killed yourself. That kind of gave me a little more ability to bear the tough things. I died back then.

❝And at sixty-four years of age, she wants a divorce. She said it as she felt like I wanted a divorce. But you didn't.

❝Monthly premiums for health insurance plans through the Affordable Care Act are up about 25% in Illinois... Those credits help make coverage more affordable.

❝Governor Pritzker says lawmakers have to move expeditiously on a tax incentive plan to keep the Chicago Bears in Illinois... That plan passed out of the House this week.

❝I've been sort of pushing chefs here for a while to really do a deep dive into the vegetable side of Mexican cooking... She’s got one on the menu now that I don't know how we'll ever take it off.

❝I think, you know, the Bears want to be in Illinois. I think that's really what their choice would be if we can put a bill forward that makes sense. They know what that is.

❝Governor Pritzker said during press availability on Friday morning, quote, that bill went from 30 pages to 300 in some pages, continuing, quote, the amount of things that were kind of tacked onto it. Much of it makes sense, some of it for the bears. I'm not sure it made sense.

❝A spokesperson for the hospital said in a statement, quote, Loreto was a victim of this fraud...we will aggressively pursue every avenue available to recover the funds that were stolen from us.

❝I always kind of say this is a quick thought just to wrap that up, that you know, a good meteorologist and storm chaser can look at the radar and tell you what that storm is doing. But a great meteorologist and storm chaser can look at the storm and tell you what the radar is going to do.

❝And and the thing is to stop things like that from happening, chasers do need to chase safely, chase chase courteous courteously, um, obey the laws, things like speed limits, stop signs, red lights, um, those basic laws of the road to keep not only other chasers but everybody else safe, including emergency vehicles as well.

❝Um, last year, um, some I think uh misled Oklahoma legislatures pr promoted a bill in their in their house and Senate down there to look at a storm chasing license, and a lot of people did fight that um and ended up not passing.